I like this theory but if Jon was Targaryan, wouldn't he be impervious to fire just like Daenarys? We know Jon burned his hand badly saving Mormont from an undead at Castle Black…which would be a problem for this theory, no?
So….I've watched Game of Thrones season 5 Episode 4, and basically, SPOILERS FOR SEASON 5
basically, there are two scenes that confirm that Jon Snow is the bastard son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, one, Stannis Baratheon confirms while talking with his wife, Selyse Florent that Eddard Stark was a man known for not going into brothels or fratenizing with other women and admits that its rather odd. Second scene is when Little finger and Sansa Stark are in Winterfells crypts talking about Lyanna and Rhaegar, (instead of having the whole Jeyne Poole fiasco with her being risen up as Arya Stark and marrying Ramsay, Petyr Baelish rides to Winter fell with Sansa Stark as his way of installing a Stark in the North which to me makes more sense than in the books, as ironically, Ramsay is flustered and easy to control for Sansa and when Stannis takes winter fell, he would name her wardeness of the north and if the Bolton's win, she is still in control of Ramsay.) Little finger talks about the tourney at harrenhal with Rhaegar naming her the queen of beauty and disgracing Elia, then Sansa interupts and says that he kidnapped and raped her…and littlefinger just gave a look….there's no denying it now. He's the bastard son of Rhaegar and Lyanna and to be honest, this whole thing wasn't as emphasized in the show until this season.
I'm seriously laughing out loud at the comments about Jon's hair. Hello people, Lyanna Stark had dark hair. AA + aa = Aa. This is middle school biology.
After watching the first four leaked episodes of season 5 I'm sure this is eventually going to be revealed to be true. They've been mentioning Rhaegar and Lyanna here and there almost teasing the viewers. And most of all, Stannis when asked why he sees such promise in a bastard "of some tavern slut" replies, "Perhaps, but that wasn't Ned Stark's way".
How will this turn out in the books? Lets say Jon finds out who his real parents are. But how could he prove that? When talking about whos gonna sit on the throne, very exact evidence is needed. Anybody who could tell one is dead. Even if Jon found out, they wouldn't believe him. How could he ever fight his way up to the throne?
We know Jon is stabbed in the end of his last chappter, and as so that could somehow count as he´s death and release him of his promess ´´Until Death“. This way he could be separeted from Nights Watch once again- Afterall theres a LOT of indication that he IS the true lord of light
This has already been stated in the comments I'm sure.It's not to be pedantic but just to point out a minor bit of information stated.
You said, "They might have been guarding the unborn heir apparent." If the R+L theory is true and Jon is being born in this time period. He would not be the heir apparent, as Aegon, Rhaegar's eldest son, was at that moment the heir apparent to Rhaegar, who was technically the actual heir apparent to the throne. Not a huge deal and I understand your meaning. He was definitely of royal blood even if he is still a bastard. Just one with dragon blood. So the King's Guard would still be within their duty to protect him, especially if so ordered by the crown prince.
As to the hair color comment, black would overcome blonde, and most of the Targaryens intermarried and kept the blonde. Was the hair color of Rheagar's children ever mentioned? Their mother was Dornish, so I would guess they were dark haired.
I guess one point is, if Jon had white hair and purple eyes, his heritage would be a tad bit too obvious. A few chapters or shows in and it wouldn't take a genius. It doesn't matter what the reason is. George RR Martin and the show's writers are both pretty clever. They'll think of something.
new theory; jon is the son of NEd's sister and Baratheon; but since an unwed birth would humiliate the starks if she came forward with it; ned decided to save his sister and his friend the embarassment and any possible repercussions by siring jon as "his bastard"
what if this theory is completely off, I mean this makes a certain degree of sense but in adwd the lord of the three sisters he says that Ned stark was washed up on the three sisters and saved by a fisher woman. it is also said that he got her pregnant I mean this isn't that much to speculate on but what id that's it? im not too sure. this theory is technically is pretty sound but it doesn't make that much sense when you add it up. and if anything surely Robert would want to be near Jon more because of the fact that jon would be all that remains of his love? Robert may be a fighter but his compassion shows a lot more in many cases and why Wouldn't Ned tell Jon?
All targaryens are white haired, and jon is black? While Lyanna was a stark and they are brown/red haired. So brown+white can never result into black haired. Jon is just roberts son seeing Robert and Lyanna were in love. Robert never knew because he hates his bastard sons
There were two survivors after the battle at the Tower of Joy: Ned Stark and Howland Reed. Both of them were present at the death bed of Lyanna Stark, and therefore would have known the truth about the "bed of blood". We know Ned Stark and Lyanna Stark are dead, so Howland Reed is the key to Jon Snow's parentage. Although Greywater Watch is a fortress in the swamps around the neck, which is rumoured to be impregnable due to its rumoured mobility on the back of a turtle and the deadly swamps which surround the castle. But in the books we still have Meera and Jojen Reed, or just Meera in the HBO, who could have known back to their home. Now about Jon's vows to the Night's Watch. Take Maester Aemon. After the death of his brother Prince Daeron, Aemon was summoned to the Great Council where some wanted to offer him the crown, but he refused it quietly. Jon Snow could have agreed to it if he was offered, as he felt his duty to restore order to the realm would be his duty, and accept it. Jon Snow's honour however, would mean he most likely wouldn't take it, as he would break his vows Another way for him to be free of the Night's Watch vows is to die and be resurrected after his death by a red priest or priestess, as demonstrated by Thoros of Myr. Melisandre is with King Stannis at the Wall, and she could resurrect Jon after his stabbing at the hands of the rest of the Night's Watch. Because his Watch "shall not end until my death", his resurrection would mean he is free of his vows. There is one flaw with the last theory. Melisandre and King Stannis might consider Jon a Ursuper to King Stannis' claim to the throne, as his claim is superior. His King's blood would very likely mean that he would be burnt as a sacrifice to R'hllor. Another possibility is King Stannis bowing to Jon Snow after he legitimises him as a Targaryen, as he realises that he is too harsh and unpopular to be King of Westeros. Then Daenerys and Aegon Targaryen would have an illegitimate or lesser claim to the throne. Jon Targaryen, as he is legitimised, can marry Daenerys Targaryen, if he follows the Targaryen tradition.
I like this theory but if Jon was Targaryan, wouldn't he be impervious to fire just like Daenarys? We know Jon burned his hand badly saving Mormont from an undead at Castle Black…which would be a problem for this theory, no?
Don't know if you watched the leaked episodes, but they are definitely starting to drop some major R+L=J hints.
isn'tDanny the one who was born (in fire) amidst salt and smoke in the season 1 final?? if so wouldn't that make danyers Azor Ahai…
So….I've watched Game of Thrones season 5 Episode 4, and basically, SPOILERS FOR SEASON 5
basically, there are two scenes that confirm that Jon Snow is the bastard son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, one, Stannis Baratheon confirms while talking with his wife, Selyse Florent that Eddard Stark was a man known for not going into brothels or fratenizing with other women and admits that its rather odd. Second scene is when Little finger and Sansa Stark are in Winterfells crypts talking about Lyanna and Rhaegar, (instead of having the whole Jeyne Poole fiasco with her being risen up as Arya Stark and marrying Ramsay, Petyr Baelish rides to Winter fell with Sansa Stark as his way of installing a Stark in the North which to me makes more sense than in the books, as ironically, Ramsay is flustered and easy to control for Sansa and when Stannis takes winter fell, he would name her wardeness of the north and if the Bolton's win, she is still in control of Ramsay.) Little finger talks about the tourney at harrenhal with Rhaegar naming her the queen of beauty and disgracing Elia, then Sansa interupts and says that he kidnapped and raped her…and littlefinger just gave a look….there's no denying it now. He's the bastard son of Rhaegar and Lyanna and to be honest, this whole thing wasn't as emphasized in the show until this season.
I'm seriously laughing out loud at the comments about Jon's hair. Hello people, Lyanna Stark had dark hair. AA + aa = Aa. This is middle school biology.
After watching the first four leaked episodes of season 5 I'm sure this is eventually going to be revealed to be true. They've been mentioning Rhaegar and Lyanna here and there almost teasing the viewers. And most of all, Stannis when asked why he sees such promise in a bastard "of some tavern slut" replies, "Perhaps, but that wasn't Ned Stark's way".
This is a much more important theory after what happened tonight!
How will this turn out in the books? Lets say Jon finds out who his real parents are. But how could he prove that? When talking about whos gonna sit on the throne, very exact evidence is needed. Anybody who could tell one is dead. Even if Jon found out, they wouldn't believe him. How could he ever fight his way up to the throne?
MAJOR SPOILERS – Last Book
We know Jon is stabbed in the end of his last chappter, and as so that could somehow count as he´s death and release him of his promess ´´Until Death“. This way he could be separeted from Nights Watch once again- Afterall theres a LOT of indication that he IS the true lord of light
This has already been stated in the comments I'm sure.It's not to be pedantic but just to point out a minor bit of information stated.
You said, "They might have been guarding the unborn heir apparent." If the R+L theory is true and Jon is being born in this time period. He would not be the heir apparent, as Aegon, Rhaegar's eldest son, was at that moment the heir apparent to Rhaegar, who was technically the actual heir apparent to the throne. Not a huge deal and I understand your meaning. He was definitely of royal blood even if he is still a bastard. Just one with dragon blood. So the King's Guard would still be within their duty to protect him, especially if so ordered by the crown prince.
There is also evidence that R+L got married at the weirwood on that island south of the North. In the Riverlands somewhere.
As to the hair color comment, black would overcome blonde, and most of the Targaryens intermarried and kept the blonde. Was the hair color of Rheagar's children ever mentioned? Their mother was Dornish, so I would guess they were dark haired.
But how a brunette(Lynna stark) and white haired(rheagar targaryan) produce a black haired John Snow?!!
I guess one point is, if Jon had white hair and purple eyes, his heritage would be a tad bit too obvious. A few chapters or shows in and it wouldn't take a genius. It doesn't matter what the reason is. George RR Martin and the show's writers are both pretty clever. They'll think of something.
new theory; jon is the son of NEd's sister and Baratheon; but since an unwed birth would humiliate the starks if she came forward with it; ned decided to save his sister and his friend the embarassment and any possible repercussions by siring jon as "his bastard"
i have a question based on slight spoilers
what if this theory is completely off, I mean this makes a certain degree of sense but in adwd the lord of the three sisters he says that Ned stark was washed up on the three sisters and saved by a fisher woman. it is also said that he got her pregnant I mean this isn't that much to speculate on but what id that's it? im not too sure. this theory is technically is pretty sound but it doesn't make that much sense when you add it up. and if anything surely Robert would want to be near Jon more because of the fact that jon would be all that remains of his love? Robert may be a fighter but his compassion shows a lot more in many cases and why Wouldn't Ned tell Jon?
My theory: R + L = J + D
All targaryens are white haired, and jon is black? While Lyanna was a stark and they are brown/red haired. So brown+white can never result into black haired. Jon is just roberts son seeing Robert and Lyanna were in love. Robert never knew because he hates his bastard sons
can someone explain to be how if johns father is rhaegar targerian and rhaegars sister is daneris but john is older than daneris?
There were two survivors after the battle at the Tower of Joy: Ned Stark and Howland Reed. Both of them were present at the death bed of Lyanna Stark, and therefore would have known the truth about the "bed of blood". We know Ned Stark and Lyanna Stark are dead, so Howland Reed is the key to Jon Snow's parentage. Although Greywater Watch is a fortress in the swamps around the neck, which is rumoured to be impregnable due to its rumoured mobility on the back of a turtle and the deadly swamps which surround the castle. But in the books we still have Meera and Jojen Reed, or just Meera in the HBO, who could have known back to their home. Now about Jon's vows to the Night's Watch.
Take Maester Aemon. After the death of his brother Prince Daeron, Aemon was summoned to the Great Council where some wanted to offer him the crown, but he refused it quietly. Jon Snow could have agreed to it if he was offered, as he felt his duty to restore order to the realm would be his duty, and accept it. Jon Snow's honour however, would mean he most likely wouldn't take it, as he would break his vows
Another way for him to be free of the Night's Watch vows is to die and be resurrected after his death by a red priest or priestess, as demonstrated by Thoros of Myr. Melisandre is with King Stannis at the Wall, and she could resurrect Jon after his stabbing at the hands of the rest of the Night's Watch. Because his Watch "shall not end until my death", his resurrection would mean he is free of his vows.
There is one flaw with the last theory. Melisandre and King Stannis might consider Jon a Ursuper to King Stannis' claim to the throne, as his claim is superior. His King's blood would very likely mean that he would be burnt as a sacrifice to R'hllor. Another possibility is King Stannis bowing to Jon Snow after he legitimises him as a Targaryen, as he realises that he is too harsh and unpopular to be King of Westeros. Then Daenerys and Aegon Targaryen would have an illegitimate or lesser claim to the throne. Jon Targaryen, as he is legitimised, can marry Daenerys Targaryen, if he follows the Targaryen tradition.